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Mark as an Answer. Books and Websites Gateless Gatecrashers. Threads [ Previous Next ]. Just discovered this ebook recently, Gateless Gatecrasher s. I ts about understanding no-self using “direct pointing. I’ve read through gatecrasherx half of it.
I’m also working with one of the ‘guides’ on the private forums they have a Liberation Unleashed. So far it has been quite an interesting experience. I have been prompted with a lot of questions and asked to make observations designed to get to that point where I “get it. Would be interested to hear what your experience with it all is so far. Two of my friends had bonafide no-self insights using one of these direct pointing resources ‘Brutal Beginnings’ by Ruthless Truth.
Neither had any previous background with Buddhism or meditation and I introduced it to them. Both said it was probably the most important thing they had ever done for ‘themselves’.
I tried for quite a while, but wasn’t able to make it click. It seems that for some people it ‘works’ really quickly, but for gatecdashers others it doesn’t for whatever reason. I’m intrigued by direct pointing. I’ve also signed up for a ID gtecrashers asked for a guide. I havent made any effort to look into the gatefrashers but i gatdcrashers that someone from liberationunleashed engaged in a lengthy conversation with DO’ers when the book gaheless came out.
Is there a Self? Is there not a Self? This essay by Thanissaro Bikkhu which I am reading now is bringing up the possibilty that my time spent over on LU trying to see Not Self may be illuminating, but a dead end as far as reaching the end of suffering goes which is really why I’m in this whole game to begin with. That’s the bigger picture, how do these realizations help one understand the nature of dukkhait’s cause, the end of it, and the path leading there?
If one doesn’t have this framework of the four Noble Truths, I surely hope there’s some other paradigm employed that is able to ground and provide further evolution. Just having someone come up to you and give you some kind of pointing out instructions could very well: Gatelesss about and meditating on the five aggregates and dependent origination was very helpful in this regard.
This sense of familiarity is what is known as “knowledge of not-self. Just because I am simply the flow of emptiness does not mean that I do not batecrashers “stick” to various negative experiences on a fudnamental, perceptual level.
From my understanding, most meditation masters will admit to something like this, if prodded not that I am anywhere near a meditation master!! For me, this has manifested in a marked increase in mental and emotional stability. Its really quite amazing considering where I was at. But I don’t know exactly how one thing has lead to another anatta to dukkha.
I’ve had a gaheless of this article in my satchel for a month or two gatteless and plan to read it on the train ride home tonight.
Mahasi on ‘the magical illusion of self”. You’re thinking too much. Don’t worry; you’ll understand fully when you’re on the other side, so to speak.
I use the riding a bike analogy. You’ve read how to do it. You’ve questioned how to do it. You’ve asked everyone how to ride it. You’ve even gone out and bought a brand new fucking bike. But you’re sitting there looking at the bike.
Your thoughts are writing you.
Experience is writing your thoughts. You are being written by experience. Thus, you are inseparable from experience.
If you are inseparable, who’s experiencing? Gatelesa all, I have some thoughts to share on the Gateless Gatecrashers book and this style of direct pointing in general. This gatecrshers attempt on the DhO is, in my opinion, a necessary complement to the book: Definitely not 3rd or 4th.
Some of these isnights I can tap into at will or with some work, others have come up spontaneously and were either frequent or intense enough that I can remember many aspects of what they felt like clearly. How I have approached the book I have read a part of the dialogues. Not all of them, also because they become a bit repetitive after a time, I have done my best to put myself in the shoes of the “pointee”, comparing their experiences with mine, thinking agtecrashers what my answer would be to each of the pointing tips, based on my current and past experiences.
My main question was: Would I qualify for having crashed what they call the Gateless Gate?
The good The people doing direct pointing definitely seem to have some insight into no-self. Some of the directions they give were kind of new to me. All of them seem to be pointing at something that is good and useful, both the familiar and the unfamiliar ones. No pointing seemed ‘wrong’ or not useful.
The enthusiasm and commitment of Ilona and Elena is also very nice, and they come across as nice people. That is unfortunately not a given, as we know. The not as good They seem to gatecrashere relatively low standards for having crashed the gateless gate.
The minimum that seems to be required to ‘have made it’ seems to be two ingredients: I repeat, this does not need to be a real-time, permanent, unconditioned shift into gxtecrashers like what MCTB calls non-duality. Rather, an at-will ability to see that the self is slippery and nowhere to gaeless found is enough. See, for example, the chapter called “Jamie” in Gateless Crashers.
In that chapter, Jaime passes the “having crashed the gate” test, but it seems to me that he doesn’t have MCTB 4th path or anything comparable to it. So the problem here is that 1 is, in my opinion, a low standard, so 2 is a dead end. Reading the book, it is entirely possibile that the Ilona and Elena themselves have a higher realisation of than one I have given above.
Similarly, I cannot exclude that some of the pointees have obtained more than 1. However, the minimum standard that they set for the pontees is the one I have given above, and that seems to be it. So would I qualify for having crashed what they call the Gateless Gate? I am afraid I would, and that is disappointing. I am currently able to chase the perception of a self around and see it slip from one “place” to another one until it becomes clear, in an experiential-deductive way, that there is actually no self to be found.
In my current scale, this is some relatively low-level insight into no-self and not into non-duality. I know, from direct experience, that there is much more to it than 1 above.
It is not enough to know that a self cannot be found and 2 giving up. I know from direct experience that it is possible gateleess shift into a “state” in which: I believe, based on MCTB and people I have talked to, that “stabilising” this in real time is possible. Therefore, I will keep on looking. Feel free to play with it, but do not fool yourself into thinking that it is the endgame. Gxteless you believe that I am wrong, and there is more to this style of Direct Pointing than what Gatecrashets have called 1and you can point me hehe to it, I gatecrzshers be happy to look!
I’ve got to say I think I agree with you Neko. This might well be of some benefit to someone, but it certainly isnt going to get you the same results as years of mediation. I read the one with the Mediation teacher and it reminded me of the Emperors new clothes story. My hunch is that its getting people to the point that reading the very first Ekhart tolle book did for me, When I realised I wasnt my thoughts.
That was important, and it was the start of the journey for me, but thats the start, not the end, as far as I am concerned. I have been having some insights – mostly intellectual – the most recent being that a label such as “bottle,” “cloud,” or “Jeff” can’t be experienced, even though the ‘thing’ being pointed to can indeed be experienced.
But is that it? It seems like a letdown; a illumination only in that our linguistic symantics are fluid and we often mistake the finger for the moon. I have not had anything close to the direct seeing that I would anticipate. I might be getting closer with the BB material.
gatecrxshers The quotes I provided above were illuminating. They keep hammering home the point of “I don’t exist. Mattias Wilhelm Stenberg Posts: I’m impressed with their methods and was helped both by the “Direct Pointing” method and the “Deep Looking” method that Illona and co.
From my perspective this is possibly the fastest way to “stream entry” or 1: More importantly it does break down the false-self belief in a very radical, and hopefully permanent, way like no other method has for me. Of gwtecrashers a few days of DP won’t give the same ‘benefits’ as 10 years of Vipassana, but why would it and why would that comparison even be valid. I’ve met people who have been meditating for decades and still have no fucking clue what they are doing and why they are doing it, this DP stuff gatecrasuers to the nuts and bolts of the problem very fast.